RZA: Wu-Tang A Drive-by Away From Never Existing

CNN: Could your imprisonment or Method Man’s death have derailed Wu-Tang’s formation?

RZA: Either one of those incidents could definitely have derailed it. Of course, myself being the abbot, the one who came with the idea, if I wouldn’t have made it out of that tumultuous time — it seemed like I wasn’t going to make it out of it; there was a lot of odds against me — but we stood strong, and self-defense made sense to the jury. We beat that …

It was the victory over that incident that made me change my whole direction. In a way, it’s double-edged in that incident. One, if I would’ve lost that, yeah, Wu-Tang wouldn’t have happened, but also it’s the victory of it that inspired me and gave me the drive also to go and really get serious about Wu-Tang and the things I was dealing with.

Same thing with Meth, he always brings it up … that that day saved his life. He actually said, if it was anybody else calling him, he wouldn’t have came.

CNN: In the book, you cite lessons from Eastern religions, Christianity, Islam, [Nation of Islam offshoot] Five Percent, numerology, comic books, kung fu, chess. What would you say to someone who says it’s difficult to reconcile these dogmas?

RZA: Like it says in the Bible, “In the beginning was the word, and the word became flesh” — if we go to the root of the word, we will find that, yeah, everything is similar. Everything is teaching us all the same path.

It’s just that one religion was good for these people because of their living conditions. In the Quran, they mention paradise being filled with wells, wells of water, and if you’re in the desert and you’ve got a chance to get water and gardens — as they describe paradise in the holy Quran — if you’re going to get gardens, that’s the paradise that fits your situation. … Everything they’re saying relates to the people they’re talking to. …

You remove the messenger and take the message.

CNN: You say in the book that your penchant for violent lyrics in your younger years “was a product of my history and environment” and that it no longer represents you. But you also say you won’t repudiate violence. Why not?

RZA: One reason I haven’t repudiated it is because when it’s necessary, it’s necessary. [The Bible's] Ecclesiastes tell us there’s a time for everything — a time for war, a time for peace — so in times for war, there’s time for violence.

Then in [the Hindu scripture] Bhagavad Gita, it says Arjuna was talking, Arjuna didn’t want to commit violent acts against an army that was attacking him. He couldn’t find it in his heart to do it. It was people he loved. He didn’t want to get into violence, but Krishna had to point out to him, “Your duty is your duty.” …

So, to me, violence in the light of justice is still violent, but I don’t see it the same. It’s because of justice that I don’t repudiate violence because justice must be served somehow.

CNN: ODB was a product of his environment as well. To what degree were you and other Wu-Tang members responsible for his death?

RZA: The guys would say it’s more me than them because they say that’s my cousin and I was right there. If you let a man that you love or anybody — man, woman or child that you love — sit there and destroy themselves in front of you, you’re neglecting them …

Everybody let him do what he wanted to do. … There were times when I took his drugs and threw them down the toilet. When I do that, he would get so pissed off I don’t see him for weeks after that. …

So it got to a point, I was like, “[expletive] it, let him do his drugs” just to have him around me, just to keep him there. … But it’s still neglect, yo.

RZA: I don’t regret it because it got us to the power we are. …

To me, in the beginning, the dictatorship led us to such a strong foundation that even though Wu-Tang seemed to be crumbling, it didn’t fall because of the root foundation of one man’s idea. But now as it’s coming back together — we’re living in the twilight age of it right now — it’s still surviving because of the democracy of it.

CNN: Wu-Tang is still around, but nothing like the heyday of the 1990s. Will we ever see a renaissance?

RZA: Well, to me, Wu-Tang is beyond Wu-Tang Clan. … It’s just like hip-hop is beyond Grandmaster Flash, but Grandmaster Flash was one of the first guys to hit those turntables like that. …

The same thing with Wu-Tang. You’ll see the difference in hip-hop from the moment we came in to before we came in. We changed it. We changed the whole structure.
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CNN: Have you accomplished everything you’ve set out to accomplish?

RZA: I’m me and the me that’s me is me and is going to continue to be me, and it’s always reaching and growing. I’m grateful for what I’ve accomplished. I’m grateful for anyone who thinks I accomplished something and says, “Well he did this; he did that.” I’m proud to be accepted, but I feel like I’ve just scratched the surface for some weird reason.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/12/rza.tao.wu.tang/